Time to unlearn the lies Welcome dear friends. May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word. All you have to do is turn on the news today to see that the signs of the times of the end of the world are being fulfilled in quick succession. Nearly everyday we see wars and rumours of wars, pestilence has been ravaging the world already for some time in many forms and of more recent COVID-19, natural disasters are happening more severely and in quick succession. God’s judgements are coming to all those who do not believe and follow His Word. According to the scriptures just prior to His coming there will be two classes of Christians. All fall asleep while waiting for the bridegroom. One class purchased extra oil without money and without price and when the call was made to go out and meet the bridegroom, they trimmed their lamps (the Word of God) and went out to meet Him. The other class we are told did not purchase enough oil and when the call was made their lamps went out and they were sitting in darkness and could not find their way because the road was too dark and narrow until the door was shut and when they arrived, they were locked out of the marriage and lost everything because God did not know them. Likewise, we are told that Babylon has fallen representing fallen Christianity that promotes man-made teachings and traditions over the Word of God. Jesus is calling us all out to trim our lamps to get ready for the marriage where Jesus will marry (unite) with His bride (the Church). Only those who purchase enough oil (faith in Gods’ Word to receive His Spirit), will be able to find their way because they trimmed their lamps (know the truth of Gods’ Word through His Spirit) to find their way to the marriage when the call is being made to go out and meet the bridegroom because the road is dark and narrow and will keep all those in darkness if their lamps (the truth of Gods Word) go out. The call is being made today dear friend. Have you trimmed your lamp? Do you know the truth of Gods’ Word or are you following in the lies we have been taught from the teachings and traditions of men that have led “the many” away from Gods’ Word to break the commandments of God leading many to sit in darkness when Jesus is calling us all back to His Word to worship Him in Spirit and in truth? These are questions we must all ask ourselves personally and only we can personally answer them prayerfully asking God are we ready? Do we know the truth of your Word Lord? How do I know that I am following God’s Word and not the man-made teachings and traditions of men that have led “the many” away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God? The latter according to Jesus are not worshiping God according to the scriptures (Matthew 15:3-9) Jesus is calling us all and says the hour is coming and NOW IS, that the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him MUST worship him in spirit and in truth. God is calling us all back to His Word to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. This thread is about unlearning the lies we have all been taught in Sunday schools and in regard to “Sunday worship” Which is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word.
............... QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION? 1. What are the lies we are being taught in Sunday school in regards to Gods' 10 commandments? 2. Where does it say in the scriptures that Sunday is "the Lords day"? 3. Where does it say in the scriptures that God's seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? ............... It's time to unlearn the lies we have all be fed and to seek Jesus for ourselves through His Word asking Jesus to teach us His Word so that we can know the truth of His Word personally for ourselves. God promises all of us... "You shall seek me, and find me, when you shall search for me with all your heart." - Jeremiah 29:13. God is calling us all to return to Him because he loves us and is not willing that any should perish *2 Peter 3:9. He promises that "if any man wants to know the truth of Gods' Word they will know if we turn away from the teachings of men and seek Him for it *John 7:17. All we need to do is ask him and believe His Word and claim His promises (see also John 16:13; John 14:26; John 7:17; 1 John 2:27; Hebrews 8:11). None of us should be afraid of coming to the light of Gods' Word to see if we are really in the faith of Gods' Word or not. Let God bless you through His Word. Friendly discussion please please provide scripture for your view. May God bless you all as you seek Him through His Word.
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DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENT IN THE NEW COVENANT ARE NOW ABOLISHED?
JESUS said...
Think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophet - Matthew 5:17
Jesus magnified the law - Matthew 5:17-28
The law will now pass away until heaven and earth pass away - Matthew 5:18
Whoever will break the least of these commandments and teach men so will be the least in God's kingdom (the least are those who do not go there see 1 John 2:3-4)
Whoever obeys and teaches the law will be called great in God's kingdom - Matthew 5:19
Jesus taught that fail and obedience to Gods' law is required to receive eternal life - Matthew 19:17-21; John 3:36.
Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21) Jesus taught that the two great commandments of love are not separate from obeying Gods' law - Matthew 22:36-40
Jesus taught that if we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not worshiping God (Matt 15:3-9)
Jesus says if we commit sin (breaking Gods law - 1 John 3:4) we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin - John 8:32-36
Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love - John 14:15; 15:10
If we love God we will obey His commandments and abide in His love - John 14:15; John 15:10
Jesus did not teach anywhere in the bible that Gods law has been abolished both Jesus and the Apostles and all the new testament teaches obedience to Gods law according to the new covenant scriptures..
PAUL said...
Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4:1-9.
Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Corinthians 7:19
Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Romans 2:13-16
Paul says faith is not separate from obedience to God's law - Romans 3:31
Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:6-8
Paul teaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jeremiah 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" and Gods new covenant promise - Heb 8:7-11
Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine - 2 Timothy 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" and is binding on all Christians. - Ephesians 6:1-2
Paul tells us that God's Law (10 commandments) is holy, just and good - Romans 7:12
God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is - Romans 3:20; 7:7
The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death - Romans 6:23
If we break God's Law we dishonor God - Romans 2:23
If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God - Romans 3:19
We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us - Romans 3:31
If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law - Romans 6:1-7
We should not break God's Law if we are under grace - Romans 6:15
We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts - Romans 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2
It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus - Galatians 3:24
God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness - Romans 6:22
We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith - Romans 2:4-13
God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word - Romans 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Hebrews 8:9-10
If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements - Hebrews 10:26-27
JOHN said...
John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Revelation 14:12; 22:14)
JAMES said...
James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law - James 2:8
If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law - James 2:9-11
James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom - James 2:12)
The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment - James 2:12
If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith - James 2:16-26
PETER said...
Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law - 1 Peter 1:2
We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days - 1 Peter 1:5
We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy - 1 Peter 1:13-16
Jesus is your example who did no sin - 1 Peter 2:21-22
Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh - 1 Peter 4:1-3
Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved - 1 Peter 4:17
God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Peter 1:2-4
The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah - 2 Peter 2:6
If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost - 2 Peter 2:20-22
God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God 2 Peter 3:5-14
JESUS AND THE APOSTLES OBEYED AND TAUGHT THE SABBATH saying...
It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath - Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind - Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27
Jesus is Lord (creator) and owner of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28
If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest - Hebrews 4
It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all - James 2:8-12
Breaking it is sin - 1 John 3:4
God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded - Revelation 14:12; 22:14; Ezekiel 20:20
Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath - Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22
The Apostle and disciples all kept the Sabbath after the death and resurrection of Jesus - Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10
Jesus taught that God's people would be still keeping the Sabbath well after the death and resurrection - Matthew 24:20; Mark 13:18.
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SUMMARY:
As shown above pretty much the whole new covenant teaches Gods law. Perhaps it is time to rethink what you believe and receive Gods' Word as a blessing from God to you. The above I hope is helpful only as it also shows that your earlier claims and understanding as to what the covenant were is not biblical. The old covenant includes the Mosaic book of the covenant (Exodus 24:7) which included the "shadow laws" for remission sins that are obsolete while Gods' new covenant has God's laws written on the heart through faith and still the standard of good and evil in the new covenant.
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